I think IES would really benefit from a feature for handling transparent canopies/balcony panels.
When you model them as local shade they are treated as opaque.
Could 'transparent shade' be another option in ModelIT alongside 'local shade' etc. ?
Then in Apache additional properties could be applied.
I find these canopies are used a lot on schools. Glazed balcony panels are also very common on blocks of flats.
Having them cut out all the sun is a bit risky for overheating checks.
Ross
Transparent Canopy/Balcony Feature
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RossThompson87
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Re: Transparent Canopy/Balcony Feature
+1 for adding an opacity feature. This can then be used to simulate shading devices.
Re: Transparent Canopy/Balcony Feature
Transparent, semi-opaque or even varying opacity shades/canopy is something that is on our radar and has been for some time. It's not going to be done in the near future though but we will hit it.
David.
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Re: Transparent Canopy/Balcony Feature
+1 for opacity too.
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veronica8a
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Re: Transparent Canopy/Balcony Feature
+1 over here!
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Arun Shaju
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Re: Transparent Canopy/Balcony Feature
Hi,
I was wondering if you can in fact model a room of small thickness. Then glaze the roof and floor completely and apply an appropriate U value. Will this work ??
Thanks in advance
I was wondering if you can in fact model a room of small thickness. Then glaze the roof and floor completely and apply an appropriate U value. Will this work ??
Thanks in advance
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RossThompson87
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Re: Transparent Canopy/Balcony Feature
Hi Arun,
I think I've tried what you have suggested in the past albeit it a long time ago.
The problem was that the 'room' that represents the canopy has so much glazing that it gets really hot.
Then if you have it adjacent to your building all the heat conducts through.
Maybe if you left a separation distance it would be ok. But I think this needs to be >100mm for IES to pick up and then solar gains could 'sneak through the gap'.
As far as I know there isn't an accurate way to model it.
Ross
I think I've tried what you have suggested in the past albeit it a long time ago.
The problem was that the 'room' that represents the canopy has so much glazing that it gets really hot.
Then if you have it adjacent to your building all the heat conducts through.
Maybe if you left a separation distance it would be ok. But I think this needs to be >100mm for IES to pick up and then solar gains could 'sneak through the gap'.
As far as I know there isn't an accurate way to model it.
Ross
Re: Transparent Canopy/Balcony Feature
+1 this would be a very useful feature
Modelling the shade as a thin foom does appear to affect the solar gains as you would expect but I couldn't say for certain as I don't know the calculation procedure and i'm not sure it would be acceptable for compliance.
Modelling the shade as a thin foom does appear to affect the solar gains as you would expect but I couldn't say for certain as I don't know the calculation procedure and i'm not sure it would be acceptable for compliance.
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Arun Shaju
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Re: Transparent Canopy/Balcony Feature
Ross thanks for that piece of advice. I have decided not to go with tthat.
Re: Transparent Canopy/Balcony Feature
absolutely agree, this is too common situation now to ignore, the new options shall have user-specified g-value of 'transparency' in it as well


